Curse

Hummer the archer · Nov 05, 2009, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Basicly this build is meant to pump as much adrenaline into you as possible to get backbreaker going.

1 Enraging Charge
2 Mokele Smash
3 Grapple
4 "I meant to do that!"
5 Backbreaker
6 Pulverizing Smash
7 Belly Smash
8 Lions comfort

12 str, 12 ham (without runes/mods)

Basically, use enraging to get into combat quickly, claim the adrenaline with mokele (5 adrenaline), then knock both of you down with grapple, while down, use "I meant to do that!" to pump yourself up to 9 adrenaline. At this point you should be @ 10 due to incoming attacks, so let loose the BB and then hit them with pulverizing then belly to make them get up with some rather nasty conditions.

Math hammer (pun not intendted)
Time from 1st strike to BB: 4 seconds (estimate)

I realize this build is screwed if you get damaged with spells (no adrenaline to pump lions), so it's not perfect, but i'm not about to spread attributes out just for a heal.

paddymew · Nov 05, 2009, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Still, it has a 16 second recharge, and nothing to do but stand still and hit stuff until then. A KD and some conditions won't be that effective if you can't follow it up with something lethal, or at least cripple them.

Hummer the archer · Nov 05, 2009, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Hmmmm, I see your point. I guess this would only really be effective for a spike then, if that? Kind of hard to inflict cripple with a pure hammer-warrior, but I suppose thats what the secondary is supposed to be used for. I guess my build is a prime example of giving up general usability in order to gain power quickly.

Winterclaw · Nov 05, 2009, 08:39 AM // 08:39

Earthshaker is better for KD in pve because of its AoE effect which you are more likely to get use out of. Conditions are kinda meh as well unless you have a good reason for them. What's the point of leaving them weakened (or something they can plague touch back to you) when you could kill them just as easily?

Bobby2 · Nov 05, 2009, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Earthshaker is better for KD in pve because of its AoE effect which you are more likely to get use out of

Scyooz me Claw, build lacks FGJ! so it's bound to be PvP.

@OP: No. Belly Smash is right out. No IAS (Flail) is laughable - especially considering this is supposed to be a spike build. Grapple-IMTDT is ehhh... fun to mess around with in RA I guess, but you'd be better off by bringing spiky damage attack skills to chuck into your BB'd target. Something like:

Bull's-Enraging-Mokele-Prot-BB-Flail-Pulverizing-Auspicious

marmar256 · Nov 05, 2009, 09:00 AM // 09:00

Agree with the above ^
Altough i am not a hammer fan. I have to say this, if your using back breaker to use pulverising and belly, Devestating hammer and belly would do it well enough but less KD time.
Id also say earth shaker is a better option (combo with earthbind rit communing skill for 3sec AoE KD which is better than 1v1 4sec tbh)
I also second that conditions are meh unless you have a reason for them.
Enough said by me me thinks.
Killing>conditions but

subarucar · Nov 05, 2009, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hummer the archer

At this point you should be @ 10 due to incoming attacks.

I realize this build is screwed if you get damaged with spells (no adrenaline to pump lions), so it's not perfect, but i'm not about to spread attributes out just for a heal.

The adrenaline gained from taking damage is small and uncertain. You should not rely on it for your build.

You do gain adrenaline from taking spell damage, the only damage that does not give adrenaline is Life Stealing.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adrenaline

Dre · Nov 05, 2009, 09:29 AM // 09:29

I've once made a build that can keep someone KD'd for over 30 seconds (PvP, requires good timing of skills), or indefinatly (AFAIK, at least) in PvE.
I know it's a complete KD overkill, but it's fun to play in RA (even made a few monks ragequit ^^)

Eragon Zarroc · Nov 05, 2009, 03:02 PM // 15:02

meh, dev hammer>backbreaker

Yuna Matsumarui · Nov 05, 2009, 03:37 PM // 15:37

do it like this (from top to bottom)

Build Adrenaline with spear (7 hits)
Devastating Hammer
Crushing Blow
Heavy Blow
Enraging Charge
Mokele Smash
Devastating Hammer
Power Attack
Heavy Blow

with the build as follows

Devastating Hammer
Crushing Blow
Power Attack
Heavy Blow (or Hammer Bash if you're afraid he'll lose the weakness)
Enraging Charge
Mokele Smash
Optional (Rigor Mortis? ^^ )
Resurrection Signet

at I believe 15 strength and Hammer Mastery (you need 14 strength at least, Hammer Mastery I'd suggest as high as you feel comfortable with to get additional critical hits.

as you can see this is mindless

attack
1
2
4
5
6
1
2
3
4

with the enraging charge -> mokele smash you get 7 adrenaline (4 from EC, 2 from mokele smash, 1 from mokele smash hitting.)

qvtkc · Nov 05, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hummer the archer

I realize this build is screwed if you get damaged with spells (no adrenaline to pump lions), so it's not perfect, but i'm not about to spread attributes out just for a heal.

This part is utterly incorrect, you gain the same amount of adrenaline from any damage source.

HigherMinion · Nov 05, 2009, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Any thoughts on a PvE variant? I'd like to see what hammering is like on my inexperienced warrior through the tough areas of PvE...

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 05, 2009, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by subarucar

the only damage that does not give adrenaline is Life Stealing.

life stealing is not damage. ergo, all damage gives adrenaline.

@OP:
i'm gonna follow bobby2 and assume this is for pvp due to lack of FGJ!

take a standard hammer bar:

dev hammer [e]
crushing blow
hammer bash / heavy blow
bull's strike
flail
enraging charge
*optional*
res sig

and compare it to this.

-yours has a 1 second longer KD chain but knocks you down as well, so you can't hit him for 3 out of 7 seconds
-you can't quarter knock after grapple, giving the monk plenty of time to throw up a prot before he's on his ass again for 4 seconds. in fact, due to this one could hardly say you have a 7 second chain.
-you have no ias.
-standard bar has an additional KD and a possible 9 second chain in bull's
-your chain requires 25 energy
-you have no ias.
-you have no room on your bar, or even energy to spare, for a utility skill.
-no ias.
-dev hammer chains actually do more damage than yours while applying the same conditions. backbreaker's +19 damage over dev is made up for by crushing blow's +19 dmg over pulverizing, both of dev hammer's KDs deal damage, and you get to smash the shit out of your sitting duck for ~5 seconds, taking into account the pause for qknocking, as opposed to 4

overall, a dev hammer war will be spiking more often than you for more damage while more effectively shutting down its target.

Lux Aeterna · Nov 06, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

I got into an argument with someone running this in AB, and beat him 1v1 2/3 without taking rush or death's charge off my bar.
Backbreaker charges very slowly, and because it isn't affected by stonefist insignia you're just completely better off with a different elite.
I mean you can make some mokele/BB/protector's build that looks more like a standard bar, but in the end meta is just better.

After 1v1ing that guy I experimented with more normal looking builds using backbreaker for a while, eventually going back to dev and magehunter's and dev.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

-you have no ias.
-you have no ias.
-no ias.
-dev hammer chains actually do more damag

Also, you have no IAS.

Dre · Nov 09, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuna Matsumarui

do it like this (from top to bottom)

Build Adrenaline with spear (7 hits)
Devastating Hammer
Crushing Blow
Heavy Blow
Enraging Charge
Mokele Smash
Devastating Hammer
Power Attack
Heavy Blow

with the build as follows

Devastating Hammer
Crushing Blow
Power Attack
Heavy Blow (or Hammer Bash if you're afraid he'll lose the weakness)
Enraging Charge
Mokele Smash
Optional (Rigor Mortis? ^^ )
Resurrection Signet

at I believe 15 strength and Hammer Mastery (you need 14 strength at least, Hammer Mastery I'd suggest as high as you feel comfortable with to get additional critical hits.

as you can see this is mindless

attack
1 2 4 5 6 1 2 3 4

with the enraging charge -> mokele smash you get 7 adrenaline (4 from EC, 2 from mokele smash, 1 from mokele smash hitting.)

Switch out power attack for protector's strike (1/2sec attack) and make your chain 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4
and take IAS for optional

Hugh Manatee · Nov 09, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dre

Switch out power attack for protector's strike (1/2sec attack) and make your chain 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4
and take IAS for optional

Actually you can use eremite's attack with a hammer. At 12-12-with 3 in scythes it does like +6 for every adjacent foe, and it's 1 second attack speed with flail up sets you up for a q-knock(at least it usually does when I use it, it's hard to tell due to lag and such but I have interrupted 1/4 sec stuff like rof, prot spirit or SB with that chain). I made that to kill priests and monks in fort aspenwood and AB, then realized that it pretty much slaughters most player monks too. Prot strike is cool too though, but you don't get the + damage unless they're moving, though chasing stuff with prot strike is fun too... hammers RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing rock....

I usually use earth shaker/mage hunter>crush>eremite's>bash then try for a bulls when they get up.

Reverend Dr · Nov 09, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

At the end of the day, backbreaker is about a 7.15 second KD and Dev hammer is about 6.15 KD. The extra second of KD is just not worth the extra 3.2 strikes of adrenaline required for backbreaker over Dev.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 11, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Devastating Hammer allows for more chances of use since it has a lower ADR cost than Backbreaker. That's why it wins my money, among other reasons.

Assyrian · Nov 20, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Lawl @ KD'ing yourself for 4 adren.

Furious Hammer, that build is funny.